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 Post subject: Message from DC 2772 Andy Froggett Rotherham CID
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:38 am 
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As some users of this forum are aware, I am a Detective constable with South Yorkshire Police, based in Rotherham. I am currently investigating alleged allegations of dishonesty involving a British company called 'One Stop Overseas Construction'.

I am using this platform to clarify some details regarding this enquiry, which is proving to be a lengthy and complex investigation. I hope that this message will encourage anyone who has had dealings with this company to make contact with me, if they require information.

Let me assure everybody that despite recent events in Egypt, this enquiry is still live and ongoing, but as previously mentioned, is lengthy and complex.

There is much inaccurate information being circulated regarding these matters and so I have decided to post my contact details and will be happy to respond to anyone, who may have questions and concerns.

Due to the nature of the ongoing investigations, I will be limited as to the extent of information i can provide, but I will endeavour to clarify rumour from fact and where possible, deal with concerns anyone may have.

You can call or email:

Tel: 01709 832261 Email: andy.froggett@southyorks.pnn.police.uk

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Andrew Froggett DC 2772 South Yorkshire Police, Rotherham


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 Post subject: Re: Message from Rotherham CID
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:31 pm 
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In my professional capacity I would like to advise those persons posting here, quote "as yet unproven allegations of dishonesty" should not be stating the company name until a case is presented in court. As yet no such charges have been made.

Unlike certain Egyptian Joint Stock companies that have been arrested, charged, subsequently found guilty and sentenced of numerous counts of fraud, which failed to make their appeal court appearance, is now avoiding arrest. And in the same context any partner of the company in full knowledge of fraudulent activities is equally culpable and liable for the same charges. In Europe this is called of Aiding and Abetting.

With that part of the law established, any partner who therefore hopes to benefit or sell any of the assets belonging to the company's business will be held to account by its creditors.


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 Post subject: Re: Message from Rotherham CID
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I have spoken to DC Froggett about this and he has requested anyone with complaints to contact him direct, his contact details are in the post.

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 Post subject: Re: Message from Rotherham CID
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In trying to resolve certain conflicts of opinions on these open forums, may I point out the legalities of using actual names in alleged criminal cases pending police enquiries.

If the Police themselves post it is viewed as assisting in the course of helping to further enquiries. If members post representing police that would be deemed as contriving to purport the course of duty.

I hope this will not be seen as interfering, only we are trying to keep this open forum in its rightful position as impartial.

Dennis.


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 Post subject: Re: Message from Rotherham CID
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With respect sir, I shall be doing so.

Now to make you personally aware, I have been appointed by certain owners and prospective buyers who will remain confidential at this time, who will be requiring detailed documentation regarding any takeover of El Riad projects.

My experience shows me most respectable marketing companies disclose up to date due diligence reports on their agent's websites as a matter of transparant promotion so companies like ours can make honest judgements. Will you as an agent be doing so?


Dennis Irwin.


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 Post subject: Re: Message from Rotherham CID
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:29 am 
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Hi Dennis, all the people I have been dealing with have full due diligence reports, any one buying a property from me is directed towards a solicitor (specialising in Egyptian Law) that has carried out a full due diligence, therefore I do not need to publicise any due diligence reports on my website. Plus as a solicitor you should be aware due diligence is only applicable at the time it is done therefore all these so called reports on other agent's websites (I haven't found any) could very well be out of date and therefore misleading their customers. The way we work is the only way of ensuring our clients are looked after as best they can.

So as you have been instructed I suggest you contact El Riad on el_riad_agency@yahoo.com and ask for any information you require to carry out your due diligence as you would have been paid for and not get someone else to do your work for you.

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 Post subject: Re: Message from Rotherham CID
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:29 pm 
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well said neil
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 Post subject: Re: Message from Rotherham CID
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Please answer me anyone, how is it that El Riad fail to respond to e-mails (including mine)? I will take your advice and shall be asking SNR Dentons Cairo branch directly.

Dennis Irwin.


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 Post subject: Re: Message from Rotherham CID
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Don't take it personally Dennis, they don't answer mine very often either, you just need to be persistent and patient. The problem in Egypt is that they don't delegate jobs to the right people and their admin staff don't really do much admin and they try to do everything themselves. I deal with the vice-president of the Pyramisa Group (Egypt's largest hotel chain) on Sunset Pearl for something as simple as snagging issues in apartments, it's their way of doing business and we must adapt to it.

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 Post subject: Re: Message from Rotherham CID
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OK. Thank you.


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 Post subject: Re: Message from Rotherham CID
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For the attention of Andrew Froggett DC 2772 South Yorkshire Police, Rotherham.

Dear sir.

Could you kindly take the opportunity to privately explain to professionals like myself who are intensely involved in the Egyptian property market, at high government levels of communications, how the United Kingdom police force can obtain satisfactory evidence and proportion blame on UK citizens that are working in a country that is undergoing extreme changes and where judgments are being made daily on Egyptian fraudsters. Surely you have to balance evidence already in the Egyptian domain.

Those cases that we have already brought to the Egyptian High courts were necessary to identify the section of Egyptian businesses that we now know have abused our International marketers in order to obtain foreign clients and their cash by deception. Subsequent Egyptian adjudged felons are either on appeal or have absconded from their country and responsibilities. In opposition, we Agents and Development Partners have stood by our customers and not left the industry in order to let the truths be heared while the revolutionary window of opportunity allows.

Your enquiries regarding the Rotherham company will not find any case to answer in the UK as it was a company in name only. Their Egyptian registered company is the one which traded in Egypt and therefore accountable to Egyptian Laws which they have duly been transparant. Their lawyers have presented a criminal case with evidences to support their position in Egypt that will exonerate them in light of the verdicts and judgments already handed to their contracted partners, El Riad. When o**c saw the fraudulent way the El Riad company were working they stopped selling. The accounts you demanded from them show no proof of criminal activity by UK o**c.

There maybe a case to be heard regarding previous UK companies who were partners of El Riad and failed to deliver satisfaction to their clients and agents. El Riad have continued in their modus operandi by contracting to other future agent/victims in the scheme of things. However until the UK police understand all the facts surrounding El Riad pre - o**c there must not be any repercussions placed on the honest sector of this International market whose only intentions are to clean up the industry and recover their losses.

Your response will be valued and extremely important in the process of delivering the correct procedures for reform. Hastily prepared accusations and rumours aligning companies like ours will get neither party anywhere, except for litigation in the UK and negative press.


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 Post subject: Re: Message from Rotherham CID
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On behalf of those customers who have found themselves in these circumstances, may I remind everyone that both the police and the legal profession must closely follow the CHAIN OF EVIDENCE.

Dennis Irwin.


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 Post subject: Re: Message from Rotherham CID
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What I don't understand is how come the Police are very interested in the company in questions business activities etc.... and are doing an investigation..

I contacted the Police, my MP, Trading Standards Agency , Foreign Secretary, PM's office, the Media and various organisations in Egypt etc...including Britsh consulate. When WWD ripped us all off .....TO NO AVAIL.... and I have a close member of my family who is a high ranking Police officer in the UK
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 Post subject: Re: Message from Rotherham CID
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When WWD ripped us all off ,well said celf!! it all goes back to 2008 when sean woodhall went missing in a so called plain crash in brazil with his rich buddies, who's body's or wreckage have never been found, the master agent for dp1 etc.

The builders el-riad did not recieve the 60% final payment, and the rest is history.


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 Post subject: Re: Message from Rotherham CID
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Claudia Salem : Executive Director at Worldwide Destinations | Urb. El Presidente, Ctra N-340, Km 168, 29680 Estepona, Málaga, SPAIN.

i think the money went to this address !!


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 Post subject: Re: Message from Rotherham CID
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:32 am 
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Carlos, as per the original post, please contact the CID officer directly with your enquiries.


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 Post subject: Re: Message from Rotherham CID
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My office, having been in contact with DC Frogget were informed he was looking at forums in order to complete his enquiries and he had personally posted on another forum to precisely make that point.

However, in our professional position in representing some owners, my office asked him why it has taken a year almost to the day since this particular UK company was questioned and that this avenue of collecting more evidence was not done sooner. It was our opinion that the CID now have to make a justified case for the CPS or the matter be totally dismissed as a waste of time and effort in getting to the bottom of these activities in Egypt.

Dennis Irwin.


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 Post subject: Re: Message from Rotherham CID
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[quote="Dennis"]My office, having been in contact with DC Frogget were informed he was looking at forums in order to complete his enquiries and he had personally posted on another forum to precisely make that point.

However, in our professional position in representing some owners, my office asked him why it has taken a year almost to the day since this particular UK company was questioned and that this avenue of collecting more evidence was not done sooner. It was our opinion that the CID now have to make a justified case for the CPS or the matter be totally dismissed as a waste of time and effort in getting to the bottom of these activities in Egypt.

Dennis Irwin.[/quote]
because everything is just coming to light, thats why it took over ayear etc, so kiss my a*se !!! dennis


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 Post subject: Re: Message from DC 2772 Andy Froggett Rotherham CID
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Quite an interesting statement robo. You believe everything is finally coming to light and we professionals agree.

So what you are trying to say is that the nature of these enquiries have finally vindicated the UK company in question now that El Riad are leaving the scene of their criminal activities. And because of the verdicts already proven against them and the volume of cases stacking up against the two partners, you think the next criminal cases they face from all their ex-partners next month will finally send the company bankrupt, for the banks to find the solution?

Or do you believe handing over the projects with only a handshake to another company with no capital or indeed credibility, will secure everyone's properties?

Please make your response more in line with the seriousness of the situation.

Dennis Irwin.


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 Post subject: Re: Message from DC 2772 Andy Froggett Rotherham CID
PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:59 am 
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Hi Dennis, as a solicitor and someone who appears to have done some research on the issues surrounding a certain UK based company, that had dealings with Pyramids Beach and Pyramids 2/El Nour Plaza maybe you can answer this question.

If two companies have an agreement that all sales contracts HAVE to be signed by both companies and the buyer (which is how it should be done) but one of the companies fail to abide by this agreement have they not breached the contract?

This UK based company has sold many properties on Pyramids Beach without notifying the other Egyptian company and without obtaining their signature on the contract, thus taking upto 75% of the property price without handing any of it over. The other company unaware of these properties being sold are now being contacted by the buyers saying they own apartment XXX. This is then spilling over to these forums where others are trying to say it is all the Egyptian companies fault yet if anyone took the time to look at the evidence they will see who the real culprits are.

So Dennis, as you seem to think the UK based company are free from any wrong doings can you explain how you have come to this decision. These are all facts as I have been contacted by the buyers and seen copies of their contracts where there isn't even a space for the Egyptian companies name or signature? I even asked one of the UK company directors face to face who couldn't give me an answer and still hasn't.

So to summarise, two companies have an agreement to build and sell properties but both have to sign the sales contracts. One company (UK) sells properties but fails to notify the other company (Egyptian) and signs the contracts themselves. Therefore the other company (Egyptian) has no record of these properties being sold and is unaware that up to 75% of the money has been collected yet they are being targeted as the crooks.

What are your thoughts on this?

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 Post subject: Re: Message from DC 2772 Andy Froggett Rotherham CID
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Just to add, I'm not defending the Egyptian company as I have said for the past 3 years all companies have done things wrong however in this instance, having looked at the agreements, sales contracts, bank transfer paperwork and having asked the question direct without an answer the finger shouldn't be pointed towards the Egyptian company.

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 Post subject: Re: Message from DC 2772 Andy Froggett Rotherham CID
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The evidence is there in the Egyptian courts Mr. Hollingsworth. Those that have been heard are there for everyone to follow. The Egyptian partners have been found guilty and until they pay back all the funds they had received from their investors and contractor bills, their appeal for release will not be granted. Mr. Yasser failed and has now absconded.

If this UK company in question were also charged (in the UK) and was brought before the UK courts immediately, then maybe there would be some deliverence for the owners that you and I bravely represent.

So I'm inclined to agree with you in that prolonging this distance argument has little credence in the matter. The Rotherham detective has a quick decision to make.

As for my own response and for the record, my knowledge pre-dates WWD-UK and LAW when the Red Sea Governerate discussed the selling of these land parcels for hotel and residential purposes therefore I have one sound proposition.

Dismiss both UK and Egypt partners completly from these project, let the creditors (banks etc.) find the most credible company to takeover, recapitalise them giving precidence to those who bought or lost money with these companies and have further funds safely kept away from those who may have ideas other than constructing with it.

Would that be your advice too?
You know it made sense for Pyramisa as it has worked for Sunset Pearl.

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 Post subject: Re: Message from DC 2772 Andy Froggett Rotherham CID
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Mr Irwin, are you 100% sure you have the correct facts regarding the charges against Mr Ibrahim or are you just second guessing that they are also related to this issue, because you may need to check your facts. As for Mr Ibrahim absconding I think you will find him in Cairo, I know people that been to see him so I am sure the authorities would be able to find him if he was supposed to be locked up.

As for your comments about the UK company we all know the UK judicial system is a long drawn out process and I for one am not in a position to comment on the investigation as I doubt you are either.

As for your comments about it working for Pyramisa and Sunset Pearl and the preamble before it, this is complete nonsense. Pyramisa did exactly the same as El Riad are offering where there is 60% still left to be paid they offered the investors the opportunity to take a new contract direct with themselves and the 60% be paid direct to them and no other company. This is exactly the same as El Riad are offering to all those that still have 60% to pay, only they are going one step further and offering an apartment to all those that paid WWD 100% (only 40% was handed over) in return for the completed apartment to resell and recoup some of the money stolen from them.

As for this UK company that have sold apartments and not even notified their Egyptian partners and taken up to 100% of the money, they need to hand this money back or hand what is owed to their Egyptian partner otherwise they have taken this money and have not provided the apartment they were paid for. You don't need to be a brain surgeon to work out this is wrong and it doesn't need a court case to show it either, would you not agree or are you going to say I am wrong?

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 Post subject: Re: Message from DC 2772 Andy Froggett Rotherham CID
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Thank you for responding Mr. Hollingsworth.

I must first ask you to allow these posts to remain part of the Hurghada Residents open forum. I may not represent all of the readers or the police, however I am sure they will all need to see the right due process is being debated and not censored.
In so keeping with the forum rules, behind the scenes discussions in private messages are not really the way forward as these statements and submissions are kept as evidence and/or are already in the public domain.

In order to keep things in perspective I need to explain the capacity to which I am professionally bound. My clients are a collection of El Riad investors and a collective of real estate agents and development partners working towards solving this stalemate.

There are two points I need to raise.
Firstly those clients sold directly by the UK Company are now satisfied customers; the ones remaining are agent sales and a separate argument.
Secondly, with the present situation, we are finding that many of those failed investors over the years no longer wish to deal with any of El Riad partners and staff, no longer holding any trust with that company.

Now to use a similar turn of phrase, this is quite simple. El Riad can offer a separate legal contract that will honour the original contracts (which the buyer keeps) and pro-rata offering to pay back in proportion what deposits and funds were paid in order for El Riad/partners to legally resell the units (and not rent them during the process). Collection of those sale funds to be held in secured accounts and all reimbursements to be made on completion of each new client taking possession of their/those properties.
Any breach of that new contract would invoke all previous contract breaches and failings. The company would then face the previous judgements already passed upon them. This method of transparency and accountability would allow El Riad to keep in business and it would be quite in order for them and yourself to put the projects back on the market.

However, in response to your first paragraph, I would like to refer to your forum post in July 2011 on WWP forum that you also moderate, quoting:

"I don't know about the 7 years, I would expect him to get more after what he has done, I do believe he has left Hurghada and he has also stitched his partner up Mohamed. It appears he has bled the company dry over the years and now Mohamed is using his own money to finish Lotus Breeze, pay off Yasser's debts, sort out the double/triple selling etc... He found out about 2 months ago how bad it was when Yasser offered him the company and when the alarm bells started ringing he checked the company accounts and found money hadn't been going in, as we know it is mostly cash so he was getting it on the streets and putting it somewhere else. While I was there every night Mohamed was handing out cash, signing cheques to people that Yasser had ripped off and they don't trust a cheque signed by Yasser so Mohamed has to change them for his own personal cheques, not good but the building is still going on so people waiting for properties don't panic, plans are being put into place to ensure the developments are finished."

Is this still your commitment and understanding of the situation?

Lastly, I presumed you to have a good command of the English language, as I had stated Pyramisa had indeed taken over the commitments of El Riad in Sunset Pearl and to every client's advantage. The question was:

"Would El Riad and partners similarly relinquish all rights to Pyramids Beach and Lotus Breeze and let the existing clients keep their properties with the Official Bank in Receivership nominating a preferred developer, with adequate funds to totally finish each project?"

As you rightly stated in your last sentence, this could be used as an appeal on all previous judgements and be a valid solution in the pending Egypt cases about to be brought to the courts.

Yours respectfully.

Dennis Irwin.


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Mr Irwin, firstly I do not moderate on the Webworld forum and secondly El Riad have never been involved in Sunset Pearl, this development was always a Pyramisa development so on these two facts alone you are very, very wrong.

I don't know who you have been talking to but I have had many conversations with clients of the UK company that are far from satisfied and one stating "he will only be satisfied when he can attend a court hearing and see them locked up for a long time". With many others distraught and left in financial difficulties with nothing to show for their money except a worthless contract because if you do understand law you will be aware a contract must have either the landowners signature on it or the landowners appointed representative which in this case is El Riad. Do you agree with this point of law and if so how can the actions of the UK company be seen to be legal if the landowner/appointed representative is not on the sales contract?

As for your points on the law, the investors I am dealing with are using the largest Middle Eastern solicitors who are drafting the new contracts and ensuring their clients are covered.

I do indeed stand by my comment I wouldn't have written it otherwise and if he is found to be guilty he deserves everything he gets, likewise so do all the agents, solicitors and other developers that have deceived/conned/ripped off innocent investors. If you read it I say he has left Hurghada which is why I wrote he is in Cairo and he has caused a lot of trouble for his partner.

I thought we were having a good debate however, with your latest post and the serious inaccuracies and the fact you think all the clients of the UK company are satisfied (this is just so far off the mark) I feel I am wasting my time discussing this with you. Therefore please feel free to post your comments (I would double check all your facts first though) but I will no longer be involved with this discussion.

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 Post subject: Re: Message from DC 2772 Andy Froggett Rotherham CID
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Mr. Hollingsworth.

Over the years my colleagues and I have become accustomed to your manner of postings and failure to answer specific questions. It has become increasingly clear and obvious to all involved throughout this debacle that Rivermead Global Properties has its own personal agenda, therefore no matter what the distraught public and legal advisors are recommending, you will slip away from responsibilities by adamantly pretending them to be in the best interest of investors, whan all along the only benificiary will be those associated with proven criminal activities. To that end, you will become an accessory before and after the fact.

I therefore wish to end what was supposed to an evidence seeking "forum" excercise. Detective Froggat will have little doubt that this situation is out of his UK remit in placing zero evidence to the CPS. Because you totally ignored our comment for the banks to take the lead, you have no obvious need for arbitration, we will therefore be asking our Egypt Legal professionals to pursue our objectives through the Egyptian courts.

I hope to see you there.

Dennis Irwin.


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Mr Irwin, you have completely glossed over the fact that you have your facts very wrong and verbally attacking me seems to be the only way you and your colleagues (I can have a good guess at who they are) see as the way forward if you don't get your own way.

In reference to failing to answer questions did you miss this one, or as we all know it makes the actions of the UK company wrong you don't want to answer it?

Do you agree with this point of law and if so how can the actions of the UK company be seen to be legal if the landowner/appointed representative is not on the sales contract?

Over to you Mr Irwin ;)

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Dennis wrote:
Mr. Hollingsworth.

Over the years my colleagues and I have become accustomed to your manner of postings and failure to answer specific questions. It has become increasingly clear and obvious to all involved throughout this debacle that Rivermead Global Properties has its own personal agenda, therefore no matter what the distraught public and legal advisors are recommending, you will slip away from responsibilities by adamantly pretending them to be in the best interest of investors, whan all along the only benificiary will be those associated with proven criminal activities. To that end, you will become an accessory before and after the fact.

I therefore wish to end what was supposed to an evidence seeking "forum" excercise. Detective Froggat will have little doubt that this situation is out of his UK remit in placing zero evidence to the CPS. Because you totally ignored our comment for the banks to take the lead, you have no obvious need for arbitration, we will therefore be asking our Egypt Legal professionals to pursue our objectives through the Egyptian courts.

I hope to see you there.

Dennis Irwin.


Please point out my personal agenda when over 3 years in I haven't charged a single penny or told anyone to do anything other than listen to legal advice?

I will tell you what my agenda is, I want to make sure I can help as many people as possible get an apartment because companies like WWD/Sigma/o**c have caused untold misery to hundreds of innocent people and seem to think having a go at me is a good idea and have tried for over 3 years to put me down and make me out to be the same as them. I have made it my mission to make sure you don't continue to take money off innocent people and wherever possible I will do my best to get them what they paid for.

As a business interest we sell furniture and although no one is under any obligation I am guessing a few people will buy furniture from us although I have heard a story that someone in Hurgahda is saying our furniture is Chinese seconds. That person knows who he is and I will be in Hurgahda from Friday lets meet up and discuss it because I have just about had enough of conmen.

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Dennis - who's hired you then you must be strapped for cash lol ..
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:09 pm 
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And this Dennis is supposed to be in the legal profession - I wonder if he is offering his legal services for free?

Neil is correct and has never once asked anyone for any money or told anyone what they should or shouldn't do and always suggested we take the approriate legal advice. I give Neil credit for getting over to Egypt regularly and hammering out a way forward - what has anyone else actually done? I've never seen anything that makes me feel there is another way.

Posts containing legal paraphrases don't help people when they'd need their own lawyers to translate into plain English - I hope no one takes offence by this but in the main, people who have lost money are people who have worked hard to see their savings gone and left high and dry. Cut the clap trap if you've got something constructive to say - post in language that everyone can understand as opposed to blinding with jargon making it sound to a lay-person that there's substance behind it! I'm guessing there isn't so people think this language gives them more credibility, adding further confusion to an already messy situation.

To be honest, I am getting sick of all these posts that have nothing to do with moving things forward - underhand digs at people that are not constructive in the least and confuse those that really don't have a clue whats going on and believe everthing they read on here.

I am working on the cold hard facts laid out in proper due diligence reports, completed by a law firm who are based in Egypt and are also regulated by the UK Law Society. The cost for this to date has been £400 for the due diligence and £2000 on account for the new contracts - I have this in writing and if I do not wish to proceed at any point prior to the contracts being drawn up then the £2000 will be refunded. I don't think anyone can say fairer than that.


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Maybe I should take it as a complement that this poor excuse for a human-being feels threatened enough to have to tell lies about our furniture. It just shows him for what he really is.

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Your colleague and thread-starter Constable Froggat has dropped the mistaken and wrong charge of "theft" in Rotherham and the disgruntled desk sergeant changed it to a fraud enquiry, much to the CID's dismay.

So when the real fraudsters are accused, tried and sentenced, this thread and all the rumours will be dispelled. What always occurs over time is that the real truth comes out. Regarding furniture rumours I have no idea of the content or who is making them.

ang3367, I wish you every success with SNR Dentons who will themselves be questioned on their collaboration and the costs of such services. According to Mr. Hollingsworth, nothing has been delivered as yet in nearly two years of legal wrangle.

Dennis Irwin.


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Dennis, do you really think people are going to believe a solicitor or "legal professional" is going to come on an open forum and write this tripe?

Please give people some credit and as for investigating SNR Dentons for their charges, if you really knew anything you would be embarrassed by that comment.

Go and play somewhere else, this is for real information.

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 Post subject: Re: Message from DC 2772 Andy Froggett Rotherham CID
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You were not in the room Mr. Hollingsworth. Detective Constable Andy Froggat posted on an open forum and that was not protocol either. Your colleagues are misinformed.

As for the enquiries, you will be meeting them yourself shortly.

Dennis Irwin.


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Excellent news, I can't wait as I have so much evidence and knowledge of what has happened and is still happening some people will be going away for a long time. Do you have any dates or anyone I can contact, also as myself and DC Froggett have put our real names and contact details on here why don't you do the same. It will give you more credibility.

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Dennis you have still not answered any of my questions yet so come on are you a solicitor or a politician?

Just like your contact details, answer the questions and give yourself an ounce of credibility.

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 Post subject: Re: Message from DC 2772 Andy Froggett Rotherham CID
PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:08 pm 
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Dennis wrote:

ang3367, I wish you every success with SNR Dentons who will themselves be questioned on their collaboration and the costs of such services. According to Mr. Hollingsworth, nothing has been delivered as yet in nearly two years of legal wrangle.

Dennis Irwin.


The due diligence report has been delivered and thats what I have paid for so far.... Unless lawyers are also expected to build the apartment as well I am in receipt of what I have paid for to date from them and cannot recommend their services highly enough. I have recommended my own Private Banking clients use them and they too have been more than happy with Dentons so I am not sure where you feel they need to be answerable for their costs.

Unlike another scam in theis whole mess... Lifetime Lawyer. They nearly cost me my house purchase because they did not have a clue what to do in a simple matter of conveyancing.
You don't know the people involved in LL do you?

As per my previous post, please refrain from any posts which are purely personal opinion and not factual. Thanks :)


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ang3367 wrote:
Dennis wrote:

ang3367, I wish you every success with SNR Dentons who will themselves be questioned on their collaboration and the costs of such services. According to Mr. Hollingsworth, nothing has been delivered as yet in nearly two years of legal wrangle.

Dennis Irwin.


The due diligence report has been delivered and thats what I have paid for so far.... Unless lawyers are also expected to build the apartment as well I am in receipt of what I have paid for to date from them and cannot recommend their services highly enough. I have recommended my own Private Banking clients use them and they too have been more than happy with Dentons so I am not sure where you feel they need to be answerable for their costs.

Unlike another scam in theis whole mess... Lifetime Lawyer. They nearly cost me my house purchase because they did not have a clue what to do in a simple matter of conveyancing.
You don't know the people involved in LL do you?

As per my previous post, please refrain from any posts which are purely personal opinion and not factual. Thanks :)



LIFETIME LAWYER WAS NICK BICKHAM, WHO IS PETER MORRIS' LAWYER NOW AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN, THE SAME NICK BICKHAM THAT GRANT THORNTON ARE NOW ASKING EVERYONE TO CONTACT!!!!!!!


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Mr. Bickham of Grant Thornton asked every creditor to e-mail Claire.Javeleau@gtuk.com back December 2009.

I shall be contacting them for their update. If they have secured funds to pay creditors from liquidating WWD UK and WWD Egypt then I will of course be disclosing this. If they are expecting investors to continue funding this exercise, I will be reporting them to the Law Society.

Dennis Irwin.


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El Riad signs ans advertising in Egypt no longer exist. Today the Desert Pearl Office notice is finally being removed. Trading has ceased pending the trials of the two partners.

To answer a previous post, Nick Bickham was G.T. Cairo office legal representative on behalf of WWD in Egypt but it seems he no longer works for the company.

We will have to await the Attorney General's verdicts on El Riad before owners and developers can proceed with any further progress as whatever the outcome it must be legally approved by the High Court.

Dennis.


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Dennis wrote:
El Riad signs ans advertising in Egypt no longer exist. Today the Desert Pearl Office notice is finally being removed. Trading has ceased pending the trials of the two partners.

To answer a previous post, Nick Bickham was G.T. Cairo office legal representative on behalf of WWD in Egypt but it seems he no longer works for the company.

We will have to await the Attorney General's verdicts on El Riad before owners and developers can proceed with any further progress as whatever the outcome it must be legally approved by the High Court.

Dennis.


Firstly is GT, Grant Thornton?
but wasn't Nicholas Bickham Lifetime lawyers, who we were all supposed to get our legal cover from under the illegal contracts with WWD? As far as I am aware he was nothing to do with Grant Thorntons who were the company who are the liquidators dealing with closing down of WWD. If he was with Grant Thorntons then I find it rather suspect that he rung me on several occasions to tout for buseness for PM . Also I for one was not asked to email the address you have given, or any other in 2009 or at any other time. Grant Thornton have sent information out at regular intervals to me as a I, like a lot of people, have lost a lot of money


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Correct on your first point. As a representative he was assisting, but he never proved WWD - E.R. partnership contracts were illegal. Correct on your second point, Grant Thornton did liquidate WWD UK as well as create them. Again, correct on your third point. His and the P.M. questionaire was a ploy to keep taking money from the crisis unfolding.
Now we see the results of what should have taken place, had legal matters been served properly at that time of WWD's departure.


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Google Nick Bickham (Lifetime Lawyer, try to use this service!!!!!!) and Mohamed Refaat (united lawyers)and there will come up a few companies that were set up with them both as legal advisors.
I wouldn't trust either of them as Nick rung me when PM was in jail and threatened to take me to court in the UK for making a police report against his client in Egypt...Yes, Nick Bickham is PMs lawyer!!!
Mohamed Refaat is Yassers mate, whenever I asked to speak to Mohamed Hussein I was always told that he was in Cairo or in a meeting and always had to deal with Yasser and Refaat.
Refaat only pointed out the signatures were not PMs AFTER I refused to pay the extra money they were asking to sort things out, if I had paid like other people who had been there before me had and who thought their apartments were safe because of this I would have been even poorer than I am now!!!!!!


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Hi Ladymukk,
Like you I also filled in a police report against PM. I filled out the report on the advice of my lawyer who was helping me in my purchase on DP1, I did not know at that time that my lawyer Amr Helawany was also El Riads lawyer. It was not until El Riad broke into my apartment and I asked my lawyer to report this criminal act that he actually told me that El Riad had every right to break into my apartment. Almost everybody connected with this nightmare has a conflict of interest or is just a crook. What chance do investors have when agents, lawyers,and police are not to be trusted. The only people who are innocent of any wrong doing are the poor investors, and when I say poor I mean POOR. The only person who I trust in this whole mess is Neil Hollingsworth, without him I would have given up on this farce long ago.
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Absolutely - I think that there is a misconception that the investors here are all loaded and wouldn't miss a few thousand pounds when in reality we're just a bunch of hard working people who wanted to try to own a place in the sun at a decent price - on the basis mortgages were available sold it to us and now they are not!! I expect they thought we would take it lying down and in truth, they were right as if it wasn't for Neil, I'd have thought this fight was over long ago as I never heard from anyone else! Dentons have been superb and between their advice and Neil's tenacity we had a was forward. I just hope this can be salvaged.


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If you would like to join a new facebook page to complement this forum and take the message about these crooks further click on this link http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id= ... 94&sk=wall

Moderators, there will be a link back to this forum to get more people on here I think the word needs spreading about these crooks, if you have noticed all the same sad individuals are on numerous facebook pages and as soon as someone questions them they attack like a pack of dogs. It is time for the hard working, honest investors to start letting the world know how these crooks operate.

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This has just been posted on WWP, so I thought I would copy and paste it here for you all.

The last time I posted on this forum was 2011, as previously mentioned I am aware the forum is used by many to obtain information, seek guidance and attempt to establish facts from the many rumours that circulate
Again my intention by posting on the site is to communicate fact to the many interested parties with whom I have not had the opportunity of personally updating.
After nearly three years of investigations which have survived the revolution, but have proved complex and difficult, it has now been decided by the Crown Prosecution Service in the UK, that there is sufficient evidence to bring court proceedings for alleged offences of theft, against three principles of the formerly Rotherham based company, One Stop Overseas Properties Ltd.
The three persons involved will initially appear at Magistrates Court, however it is anticipated that matters will be moved to the Crown Court.
In relation to the fourth person involved in this company, despite earlier promises of a return to the UK to answer questions, they have now reneged on that promise and has thus far refused to return, leaving those questions, unfortunately for the many investors, unanswered.

Should any person require further information, please do not hesitate to contact me, I have included my contact details below.

Thankyou!

Andy Froggett DC 2772 Tel 01709 832261
E mail andy.froggett@southyorks.pnn.police.uk

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